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momo2oo2 · Aug 28, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Hi!

Seems I'm playing again after 4 months, a lot of issues got me away from GW.

But now I'm using a Vista Beta (exactly 5472 build). The game starts, runs pretty well on windowed and full screen mode, but after some minutes it totally hangs the computer.

I guess you'll think it doesn't make many sense asking for such help, but what I want to know is if someone with this build (or 5536) runs the game without hangs, to leave Vista out of the scenario.

Thanks a lot!

Alias_X · Aug 28, 2006, 11:24 PM // 23:24

I'm not, but I know for sure that some people here are. Could it be that running Vista is too much of a drain on your computer, and Guild Wars on top of that is enough to make it crash?

scotty4168 · Aug 29, 2006, 01:37 AM // 01:37

GW runs perfectly on my labtop running Vista 5472. It must be something with your hardware configuration.

momo2oo2 · Aug 29, 2006, 09:55 AM // 09:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alias_X

I'm not, but I know for sure that some people here are. Could it be that running Vista is too much of a drain on your computer, and Guild Wars on top of that is enough to make it crash?

No it's not a resources problem, I think my comp can cope with that, I've got a [email protected], 1gb [email protected] 2-2-2-5 and a [email protected]/850

But I get random BSODs so I think I'll have to wait for another beta, or go back to XP.

levortex · Aug 29, 2006, 11:14 AM // 11:14

i really think its just vista or that GW isn't ready for vista. What about the Vista RC1 isn't that a newer version

levortex · Aug 29, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

Microsoft Windows Vista Build 5552 RC1 32Bit newest version that i know

Omega X · Aug 29, 2006, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Vista Beta 2 Ran GW perfectly. Any problems can be the result of one's hardware.

Dark Exige · Aug 30, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

I've been running Vista Beta 2 for some time with guild wars some times crashes when traveling via map or porting. But then in the last few days it has started to crash Vista completly just during normal play.

Will either revert to XP or upgrade to RC1 soon

momo2oo2 · Aug 30, 2006, 08:50 AM // 08:50

Well the pre-RC1 5536 doesn't work, I tried to upgrade and fresh install but neither work.

I'll try to get the 5552 RC1 and see. Maybe I install it in my raid as primary OS.

Thanks everyone

Numa Pompilius · Aug 30, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

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Originally Posted by Dark Exige

But then in the last few days it has started to crash Vista completly just during normal play.

Unless your computer is overheating, that's a driver issue. Check for updated graphics and audio drivers.

If you've not changed drivers in the last few days, it'll be overheating. Check if the heatsinks on your CPU or graphics card or chipset have become clogged with dust, or if any fans have stopped working.

It'd make me sad if it's the drivers, as I had hoped Microsoft with Vista had reversed the silly decision they made with XP to run drivers at ring zero (and thereby able to crash the system).

Ghozer · Aug 30, 2006, 09:59 AM // 09:59

wow.. 1gb [email protected] 2-2-2-5

I wouldnt even run memory that SAID it was CL2 at that, and @ 250Mhz, is that final? (125Mhz x2) or is that 250Mhz x2? = 500Mhz... in EITHER case, Try Relaxing your memory timings to 2.5-2-2-6, and maybe run the ram @ what It should be @ (200Mhz x2 - 400Mhz) (Unless its an AM2 chipset that uses DDR2, but that should be CL3)

also, drop your CPU to factory settings also..

and an X1900XTX @ 700/850.. that should be ATLEAST 700/1500 (again, unless your only working on 1/2 the ram clock)

Put ALL your things to bios defaults, set them all to auto etc, and then try it, random BSOD's as you call them are often caused by over clocked components, or components running at settings/timings they shouldnt be at...

Nexium · Aug 30, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

Keep your Xp ore win 2003 Vista is crap really sure it gott some nice eye candy but it's not worth it...

Kaguya · Aug 30, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by Nexium

Keep your Xp ore win 2003 Vista is crap really sure it gott some nice eye candy but it's not worth it...

What about DirectX 10 and new DX10 generation vidcards? And upcoming games that will be DX10 only? :b

GW works just great on Vista Beta build 5381 atleast, haven't upgraded it much since that, mwe.

Omega X · Aug 30, 2006, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

It'd make me sad if it's the drivers, as I had hoped Microsoft with Vista had reversed the silly decision they made with XP to run drivers at ring zero (and thereby able to crash the system).

Um...I thought it wasn't. I thought that was the purpose of the new Driver system in Vista to begin with.

Atleast that's what the tech sites report.

Numa Pompilius · Aug 30, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

What? Win2K didn't run drivers at ring zero, but XP does. Or are you saying that Vista doesn't?

I wouldn't know. I tried to get in on the Vista beta programme, but never got the authorization mail from MS even though they promised to send it. So I said "F it" and stayed with XP pro until Vista is released.

If they've done the right thing and moved the drivers out of ring zero, buggy drivers can't crash the system any more. If buggy drivers can't crash the system anymore, then neither can applications or games. If games can't crash the system, then any system crashes are due to hardware errors or critical flaws in the OS (and I'd not expect to see any in a release candidate, not when running well-behaved software like GW).
And if it's a hardware issue, we're talking overheating, weak PSU, memory errors - the usual suspects basically.

Big_Iron · Aug 30, 2006, 04:24 PM // 16:24

I was using Beta 2 for a while and GW was running fine...sort of. Well, the performance sucked, but that wasn't because of GW. Vista was such a pig I eventually blew it away and rebuilt with XP. It's back to purring like a kitten.

TreeDude · Aug 30, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

I think Ghozer is right. Those are really low timings for OCed RAM. The extra strain from Vista might be causing your RAM to give out. I had my RAM timings pretty low at one point. Everything ran fine except BF2, bumped a few timings up and I was fine. So even though your stable for other things doesn't mean your OK for everything.

gabrial heart · Aug 30, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

5536 works fine on my pc. Basically i have, and still have to some extent, issues with my sound driver and the driver for a tv pvr video board. Both can cause it to hang or BSoD randomly. GW runs well though and it's hung a few times with eax on, cranked to maximum. Other then that it's been pretty stable. Haven't seen a 5551 yet...

an interesting blog article http://www.mstechtoday.com/2006/08/1...ows-vista-rc1/

Numa Pompilius · Aug 30, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

I just checked, and drivers are NOT out of ring zero.

Now, "user mode" drivers do not have root access - but that'd be, like, the kind of lightweight crud drivers things like Quicktime or Flash installs.

However, any driver which wants to run as root and which is installed with an MS-approved app and/or the expressed consent of a user with admin access, will run at ring zero.
And you can bet your camels that not only antivirus drivers but pretty much every driver under the sun will demand to run at ring zero, *especially* DRM drivers, infamously buggy as they all are.

This means that yes, Creative Labs eternally sucky drivers will continue to crash the system and yes, DRM filth like Starforce will too.

Well, keeping shitty drivers out of ring zero was the single best design decision Microsoft could have made for Vista. That they didn't have the balls means that Vista can never be bulletproof like, say, MacOS and Linux.

Too bad. Too fricking bad.

Dark Exige · Aug 30, 2006, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Its defently not heat my system run very cool (and its still winter until tomorrow).
Its will probably be video drivers. The Vista team has said there have been significant improvments in the video drivers from beta 2 to RC1. So heres hoping RC1 will fix it.